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« Thread Started on Dec 16, 2008, 11:41pm »

In his essay, "Market-Based Environmentalism and the Free Market: Substitutes or Complements?," Peter J. Hill writes:

Market solutions are superior to coercive ones because voluntary exchange offers the assurance that social interactions are mutually advantageous. However, transaction costs prevent some potentially profitable voluntary exchanges from taking place. Through the use of appropriate rules, government can provide feasible alternatives. In the standard examples of roads and national defense, the transaction costs of individual exchange are high and the free-rider problem is substantial. Thus, there is at least some potential for using tax-financed provision of these public goods as a corrective mechanism. Of course, government provision of public goods is fraught with numerous problems, and one ought not to be overly optimistic that government will get it right. However, we should not automatically rule out all government intervention.


Is Hill right? Are there reasons why government intervention can't serve as a corrective mechanism for transaction costs?
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« Reply #1 on Dec 25, 2008, 1:30am »

Without economic calculation, how can any costs be calculated, much less 'corrected'?
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« Reply #2 on Dec 25, 2008, 4:40pm »

Well they can't be calculated; there's no metric by which subjective values can be aggregated and measured. But that's not to say that they don't exist, or that it's not possible to improve upon the conditions brought about by market interactions. James Buchanan offered one way in which one could uncontroversially improve upon the status quo: unanimity. In his essay, "Positive Economics, Welfare Economics, and Political Economy," he wrote:

The observer may introduce an efficiency criterion only through his own estimate of his subjects’ value scales. Hence the maximization criterion which the economist may employ is wholly in terms of his own estimate of the value scales of individuals other than himself. Presumptive efficiency is, therefore, the appropriate conception for political economy.


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In political economy the observer isolates an "illness" or rather what he believes to be an "illness" through his knowledge of the system. He presents a possible change. But this change is a "cure" only if consensus is attained in its support. The measure of “wellness” for the political economist is not improvement in an independently observable characteristic but rather agreement. If no agreement can be attained, the presumed "illness" persists, and the political economist must search for still other possible solutions.
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« Reply #3 on Dec 25, 2008, 10:13pm »

I won't say it isn't possible for the government to serve this role, but this question itself assumes that transaction costs are inherently bad. But this seems to be jumping the gun a bit.

We have to remember that there is no free lunch, so in using resources to the end of reducing transaction costs, we are imposing costs elsewhere. It seems a bit presumptuous to say, "well, these costs are more important than those costs, so, too bad."

Allowing individuals to make these decisions with their own property, rather than with other people's property, seems to be the best way to balance the many costs which are presented to us.
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« Reply #4 on Dec 27, 2008, 3:01am »

"In political economy the observer isolates an "illness" or rather what he believes to be an "illness" through his knowledge of the system. He presents a possible change. But this change is a "cure" only if consensus is attained in its support. The measure of “wellness” for the political economist is not improvement in an independently observable characteristic but rather agreement. If no agreement can be attained, the presumed "illness" persists, and the political economist must search for still other possible solutions."
Yeah, I agree with Buchanan here. But, to answer you question, no I do not think the government can serve to 'correct' transaction costs because 'transaction costs' are like any other costs, bests dealt with by free exchange. Economics as a specific discipline aside, I am very much a proponent of the theory that free (non-violent) interaction will tend to be superior automatically due to the allocation of processing power. Cooperation/coordination makes our brains work with each other, any government is always someone's brain working against someone else's.
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« Reply #5 on Dec 27, 2008, 10:26am »

Well so I agree that a centralized decision-making entity which is not founded upon the consent of the governed is morally problematic. But a government doesn't need to be a violent institution; private corporations have governments, as do homeowners' associations, clubs, and universities. And in all of these cases, the role of centralized coordination is critical to the functioning of the entity. If every employee in a corporation, for example, had to decide what to do through observation and mutual adjustment, the widgets would never get to the shelves.

As Hayek and others have pointed out, though, a society is not like a corporation or a club; it is not a teleological entity. In the aforementioned essay, Buchanan writes:
Discussions of "ideal output" and "maximization of real income" become meaningless when it is recognized that the economizing process includes as data given ends as conceived by individuals. Ends are not given for the social group in any sense appropriate to the solution of problems in political economy...

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...no "social" values exist apart from individual values. Therefore, the political economist, instead of choosing arbitrarily some limited set of ethical norms for incorporation into a "social welfare function," searches instead for "social compromises" on particular issues

The question with which I'm concerned here is, is there really no place in a free society for this kind of coordination?
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« Reply #6 on Dec 27, 2008, 1:57pm »

So long as there is voluntary agreement, a free society can have any sort of organization you can imagine. However, the moment that we are imposing upon people who have not agreed, now we are stepping out of the free society and into tyranny.
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« Reply #7 on Dec 27, 2008, 9:22pm »


Dec 27, 2008, 1:57pm, morty wrote:
So long as there is voluntary agreement, a free society can have any sort of organization you can imagine. However, the moment that we are imposing upon people who have not agreed, now we are stepping out of the free society and into tyranny.

This in no way demonstrates the inadvisability of 'tyranny'. Tyranny is a the bugbear of liberals; I myself am a tyrant over my pets, my friends, and anything else I can bring within my influence. I never seek to eliminate tyranny, but rather to extend my own. Anyone who tells himself differently, I think, is engaged in self-deception.
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« Reply #8 on Dec 28, 2008, 1:06pm »

I didn't claim it to be inadvisable. If you actually read what I wrote, you'd see that I was merely laying out the difference between organization in a free society and organization in a tyrannical society.

If you want to see reasons as to why tyranny is inadvisable, I'd suggest roughly all of Austrian economics and most of Public Choice economics.

If you want to know what the word "tyranny" means (since you clearly haven't the slightest idea), I'd suggest one of the numerous liberty-orientated political philosophers, or even a dictionary.
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« Reply #9 on Jan 2, 2009, 6:19am »

I didn't claim it to be inadvisable. If you actually read what I wrote, you'd see that I was merely laying out the difference between organization in a free society and organization in a tyrannical society.

Tyranny is like fascism, hardly anyone uses it without prejudice. Your differentiation of societies with and without 'tyrannical' organization essentially groups a certain category of social behavior as against another kind. But tyranny and power itself are not something one can ever be 'free' from, if one would be free one must have power, i.e. must really be able to do what he pleases.

If you want to see reasons as to why tyranny is inadvisable, I'd suggest roughly all of Austrian economics and most of Public Choice economics.

All that illustrates is that from the perspective of civilians, state bureaucratism is inadvisable. This point, though perhaps not well understood, is almost trivial - tautological even, as Oppenheimer has pointed out. But I speak not of tyranny-as-pejoritive, IE political 'badness' but rather tyranny as the usurpation of power, of the use of power, of the unwillingness to recognize power or right before the right of power.

If you want to know what the word "tyranny" means (since you clearly haven't the slightest idea), I'd suggest one of the numerous liberty-orientated political philosophers, or even a dictionary.

I think I have a perfectly clear concept of tyranny, both of the general sort and the limited case you refer to (pseudo-tyranny or politico-tyranny or clerico-tyranny). Really, logically, though a man is just as much tyrannized by a fixed idea of property as by a fixed idea of state 'authority'.

Nothing is inadvisable for myself, or to put it another way, advisability is determined by what I am, I am by own Vizer.
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« Reply #10 on Jan 11, 2009, 10:00pm »

This is a difficult question because there is no one size fits all answer. It would be nice to simply suggest that you do a cost-benefit analysis, but such an analysis necessarily ignores the incentives to innovation of the proposed policy. If the cost benefit analysis could accurately predict disincentives to innovation then we would have likely already revised the proposed policy to account for them.

Nonetheless, it is clear in some cases that having a mandated policy is so uncontroversial and so beneficial that the benefits obviously outweigh the costs. For example guaranteed/mandated trial by jury in criminal cases would seem to impose very few social costs (besides jury duty) but great benefits. I do not mean to assume that this will necessarily always be the case. We might imagine that at some point in the future we will all be constantly connected to information networks and have instant access to "google law maps/alerts" wherever we go, and that at such point nationally mandated legal principles would be unnecessary. But, clearly throughout recent history, and even today, the decrease in information costs resulting from the guarantee is far greater in magnitude than any social inconveniences imposed.

Given that there are clearly instances where collective action is, at least for some period of time, preferable, but that the instances of abuse of collective action far outnumber the instances of success, I would suggest that there are some principles that should be followed.


  • The potential gains should greatly outweigh the costs and foreseeable free market solutions should be almost non-existent.
  • The policy should be implemented and enforced at the lowest level of bureaucracy possible.
  • The bureaucracy enforcing a given policy should have only the absolutely minimum amount of coercive power necessary to carry out its function and there should be "chinese walls" between separate bureaucracies. A given bureaucracy should not have access to any information or any power that does not directly pertain to its function.
  • The burden of proof should always be on those proposing government action. Something like a 75% majority required in favor of collective action. Such a high burden would discourage repeated fishing with ballot initiatives, etc.
  • Every bureaucracy should have a defined life span. A given policy should only be re-initiated through a full review of policy goals and all policies associated with those goals. A given policy should never be (re-)initiated without a reevaluation of all similar policies. Essentially a one-goal, one-policy, one bureaucracy rule. This should apply to all levels of gov't. Perhaps another rule should be that a higher level of gov't cannot enact a policy unless all lower levels of gov't abdicate any authority over how to achieve that goal.


Of course these are just my suggestions for a gov't framework in a society that would be 97% decentralized (and increasing with technological advancement) but would allow for public action in the most obviously beneficial cases. This could not be implemented without public support for such principles which is currently lacking as evidenced by all the inane gov't policies the general populace supports.
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« Reply #11 on Jan 16, 2009, 1:00am »

Government solutions to transaction costs sometimes can be superior to market ones for that given cost (for this cost will be lowered if the government reallocates resources to it). But the question of whether or not the solution distorts other costs and imposes them is a totally new question that is answered in the positive. Just as a matter of fact though, the military and public roads are easy to alienate from free riders and charge for so on a factual basis, the question assumes too much. And as rjmii wrote, there are tremendous calculative issues involved. But the supreme example of government failure in this regard is also the fact that government faces a prisoner's dilemma in relation to its subjects. In what way can a government with such an incentive be relied on for the enforcement of contracts?
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